Star Trek ili Medjuzemlje?

[Aranel]

Starbase Deep Space Nine
Stardate 52407.6

"Doctor," said Elim Garak, "are you /quite/ certain this novel is
four hundred years old?"

It was, Julian Bashir reflected, an odd response. Of course, the
thing about Garak was that you could never anticipate how he would
respond to anything. He decided it would be simplest to give Garak a
literal answer. "Quite apart from the numerous references to the
novel in archival data going back four centuries, Garak, there are a
number of printed copies in existence which have been reliably
authenticated as dating back to the twentieth century."

"If you say so, Doctor, then I'll take your word for it," Garak said,
in a tone that implied that he would certainly /not/ take Bashir's
word for it. "It's just that, in the course of reading it, I got the
distinct impression that I was reading a thinly veiled account of the
Dominion War."

Surprised, Bashir said, "That's an interpretation that I'd never
heard before. Would you care to elucidate?"

"Certainly, Doctor. We begin with the hobbits, blissfully living out
their lives in the pastoral paradise of the Shire. The parallel with
the current state of your own race on its homeworld couldn't be more
obvious. But the hobbits find their paradise compromised by the
appearance of immaterial beings who obviously mean them harm. Who
else could they represent but the shapeshifting Founders of the
Dominion?"

"Go on," said Bashir, "this is fascinating."

"Well, I won't bore you with the whole exegesis, Doctor, simply point
out the more obvious points of similarity. The elves are obviously
meant to stand in for the Vulcans, while the Rohirrim are a
picture-perfect duplication of the Klingons. The orcs couldn't be
any more like the Jem'Hadar, and the Haradrim are a none-too-subtle
representation of my own people, voluntarily allying themselves with
the evil Dominion, as do the Easterlings, who can only be the Breen.
The similarity of the dwarves to the Ferengi is quite clear, as well.
The Kingdom of Gondor, of course, is meant to represent the
Federation, the leader in the fight against evil."

"If Gondor is the Federation," Bashir pointed out, "shouldn't the
hobbits be part of it?"

"Aren't they?" Garak responded. "They were apparently part of a
sister kingdom called Arnor, and still under the protection of the
Arnorian Rangers, who, I might add, sound suspiciously like
Starfleet."

Fascinated, Bashir asked, "And what about the wizards, Garak? Who do
Gandalf and Saruman represent in this, ah, allegorical Dominion War?"

"Oh, Doctor, I should have thought those were the most obvious of
all!" said Garak with a smile. "Gandalf is an emissary from the
Valar, sent to lend moral support to the forces of Good, so naturally
. . . "

"Naturally," Bashir finished, "he must be none other than Captain
Benjamin Sisko, Emissary of the Prophets of the Celestial Temple."

"Exactly! And Saruman, who is Galdalf's evil counterpart, can be
none other than Gul Dukat, Emissary of the Pagh-wraiths, who betrayed
the Federation and the Klingons by allying himself with the Dominion.
It all fits together perfectly, Doctor."

"And yet, Garak, the novel is indisputably four hundred years old,"
Bashir reminded his friend."

"So," said Garak, "we must conjecture that this fellow Tolkien was
somehow able to look forward four centuries into the future for the
inspiration for his novel, perhaps through the use of his own
personal palantir."

"Or," Bashir countered, "Tolkien's work was so universal in its scope
that even now, four hundred years later, we can see parallels between
the story he told and the events of our own times."

Garak smiled his inscrutable smile once again. "A novel for the
ages, Doctor? Perhaps. I'd love nothing more than to continue
debating the possibility, but unfortunately I must return to my shop."

Bashir found himself smiling in return as the other man rose from the
table. "Good-bye, Garak."

"Good-bye, Doctor. Or should I say, namárië?"


:? hm, sto vi kazete?

[Den]

"Good-bye, Doctor. Or should I say, namĂĄriĂŤ?"

nisam čitao na engleskom pa si ne mogu smisliti tko bi doktor trebao biti?

[L.Z.]

ima smisla

[Aranel]

"Good-bye, Doctor. Or should I say, namárië?"

nisam čitao na engleskom pa si ne mogu smisliti tko bi doktor trebao biti?

namárië znači zbogom (farewell)

[Den]

namĂĄriĂŤ znači zbogom (farewell

nakon tolike analogije tko je Sisko, tko Dukat,... očekivao sam i da će se naći neka analogija i za Bashira

[Aranel]

hm, tko je najveci pain in the ass u LOTRu, a opet nije negativac? :roll:
po meni Pipin...

[Alien2dio]

Frodo, bez konkurencije.
Zasluzio je samarcinu u svakoj sceni.

[Dren]

Frodo, bez konkurencije.
Zasluzio je samarcinu u svakoj sceni.

Filma da.
Ali knjige ne. Interesantno je kako sam ja poslije ?itanja knjige bio impresioniran hrabro[?]?u i snagom volje tako malog i nevaĹžnog stvora (ajde de pokleknuo je na kraju al to nije sad bit) i kako je ispao pi?kica (karakterna osobina) u filmu. Doslovno, samo [?]to ne zapla?e u svakoj sceni.

O da, zaboravio sam. I Merry i Pippin su krajnje iskarikirani u filmu. Ono ima[?] dojam da su praznoglavi idioti koji bi se samo [?]alili i Ĺžderali. A nisu SAMO to U knjizi postaju ozbiljni kad postane gusto.

[Alien2dio]

moja opaska se i je odnosila na film. u knjizi je, bas kao sto si rekao, izuzetno hrabar mali hobit.

[Aranel]

baš je iskarikirano...

u knjizi kad čitaš glavni lik ti je hrabri hobit s kojim proživljavaš svaki žulj na nozi, glad i prsten a aragorn je neka faca koja eto pomaže... a ona arwen se ni ne spominje do kraja

kad u filmu: Frodo - pe..rčina, a aragorn faca. totalno je preuzeo glavni lik i to mi se apsolutno ne sviđa.

No jedino u filmu što mi se ajme sviđa je LEGOLAS!
uh koji komad :mrgreen:

[MadDog]

Jedino u filmu [?]to mi se zaista svi?a je to da je u tri dijela, da ne moram 9 sati gledati prenategnute scene i izostavljene dijelove, kao [?]to je Saruman na putu u Shire i ?i[?]?enje Shirea, npr.

[Dren]

Negdje sam ?uo da se Cristopher nije pojavio na promociji tre?eg dijela ba[?] zbog tog izbacivanja njegova haranja po Shireu.
Ali o?ito da bi te scene trebale postojati u extended verziji.

Oke, Jackson je dao neki naglasak na odnos Aragorna i Arwen [?]to nije opisano u knjizi ali o?ito proizlazi iz nje pa ne zamjeram, ali ba[?] promjene - e to mi ide na Ĺživce.

Recimo izmjenjene su neke stvari koje bi samo obogatile ovako "prera?eni prikaz" , dodatno objasnili radnju, ?ak i prebacili balans na ljudsku stranu. Mislim, meni je poanta ?itavog LotRa, da za razliku od prije, ovdje se ljudi skoro sami bore protiv Saurona.
Ali ne, u filmu mjesto Rangera strijelaca u pomo? kod Helms Deepa dolaze elfovi. Da ne opisujem jo[?] hrpu drugih nepotrebno izmjenjenih stvari.

[Dagon]

No jedino u filmu [?]to mi se ajme svi?a je LEGOLAS!
uh koji komad :mrgreen:

Komad je Orlando Blum, u bilo kojem filmu, u piratama s Kariba, naprimer, izgleda jo[?] i bolje.

Joj, opet ?e nas mu[?]ki oprati jer topic (pardon, dretva) nije o komadima!

Nat

[Aleksandar Ziljak]

Komad je Orlando Blum, u bilo kojem filmu, u piratama s Kariba, naprimer, izgleda jo[?] i bolje.

Johnny Depp je bolji!!!